GY6 Trans Problem

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GY6 Trans Problem

Postby DocHemi » Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:29 pm

Ok guys heres one for ya... Never ran into this before.

Have a CF150R...

On level ground, or downhill, all is fine,

But on full acceleration or going up a grade, especially on asphalt; at full power...

It feels like the cluth gives out for a split second, then bang picks right back up, does it wasrm or cold.

It has new stock drive and driven units, and new belt, stock weights and spring.

What would you try to change out first to fix the problem??? Clutch Spring? Possibly scuff up clutch drum and/or clutch friction material?

Help never seen this before!!!!!
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Postby Offroadkarter » Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:50 pm

Is this a real honda Gy6?

So are you saying the clutch sticks or slips?
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Postby DocHemi » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:38 am

NO IT IS A HOWHIT CLONE GY6

Its not really a slip, but it just "bang" you feel it stop for a plit second and then catch again.
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Postby Red-85-Z51 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:02 am

Sounds like a broken gear, or worn gears.

If F-N-R is actuated with a splined sliding collar, which engages either the F or R gear, the tabs could very well be worn. Ive seen this on machines where people put it in gear, then goose the throttle to make it "pop" into gear
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Postby bnhshallow » Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:41 am

The chain is slipping a tooth under load. A frequent problem due to flexing of the chain tensioner.

The chain needs to be tightened. If the chain tensioner has the little rubber grommet underneath the nut, that's gonna have to go.
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Postby DocHemi » Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:36 pm

bnhshallow wrote:The chain is slipping a tooth under load. A frequent problem due to flexing of the chain tensioner.

The chain needs to be tightened. If the chain tensioner has the little rubber grommet underneath the nut, that's gonna have to go.


NEGATIVE.....

This cart does not have what you mention...
to tension the chain you tighten a long bolt that raises or lowers the engine cradle in relation to the axle shaft.

That was my original thought, and I even over tightened the chain (no slack), to check and see and no good (of course i did loosen the chain a bit).
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Postby Red-85-Z51 » Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:49 pm

I still maintain that it is the F-N-R portion that is the problem.

What im talking about, you would put it in gear, push the GO pedal, and it would roll off, and when any real torque is applied, it sort of stops pulling and pops for an instant, like you were climbing a hill and hit a small patch of ice.

May look for an adjustment in the shifter linkages, to make sure it is pulling into gear fully.
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Postby DocHemi » Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:25 pm

Yeah red you hit it on the head, funny tho it on seems to do it from about 75% power on up, but doesnt seem to do it on flat.

I know the F-R gear box is a plenetary unit, and has no reverse.

Think I may just pull it appart and see whats going on in there.
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Postby Offroadkarter » Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:28 pm

DocHemi wrote:NO IT IS A HOWHIT CLONE GY6

Its not really a slip, but it just "bang" you feel it stop for a plit second and then catch again.



Your reverse cable needs to be adjusted, i had and now have the same problem.


Next time call it a Howhit, CF moto doesnt make a Gy6 so it doesnt sound correct.
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Postby DocHemi » Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:41 pm

Offroadkarter wrote:
DocHemi wrote:NO IT IS A HOWHIT CLONE GY6

Its not really a slip, but it just "bang" you feel it stop for a plit second and then catch again.



Your reverse cable needs to be adjusted, i had and now have the same problem.


Next time call it a Howhit, CF moto doesnt make a Gy6 so it doesnt sound correct.


What is a CF moto????

I will try the reverse adj. Thnx
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Postby Offroadkarter » Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:52 pm

DocHemi wrote:
Offroadkarter wrote:
DocHemi wrote:NO IT IS A HOWHIT CLONE GY6

Its not really a slip, but it just "bang" you feel it stop for a plit second and then catch again.



Your reverse cable needs to be adjusted, i had and now have the same problem.


Next time call it a Howhit, CF moto doesnt make a Gy6 so it doesnt sound correct.


What is a CF moto????

I will try the reverse adj. Thnx



CF moto is a company that makes the CF 250
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Postby DocHemi » Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:24 pm

I'm not sure we are talking the same lingo here....


By CF150R I meant.... a Tomberlin Crossfire 150R
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Postby Offroadkarter » Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:06 pm

DocHemi wrote:I'm not sure we are talking the same lingo here....


By CF150R I meant.... a Tomberlin Crossfire 150R



well, in the buggy world we dont call our engines by the company who builds the buggy, we call it by the company who makes the engine, in your case, howhit. Even at that calling it a Gy6 is enough.
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Postby Red-85-Z51 » Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:45 pm

If you call CARTER and tell them you need a part for a Howhit 150..they will hang up on you.

If you are a dealer and say that, they will revoke your dealer status.

If you say "howhit, tomberline, GY6, China, etc) to Carter, they will really lay into you about how they dont use those engines...

Parts from a Tomberline Crossfire 150 will usually swap into a Carter 150....lol They both use the Howhit manufactured Honda GY6 150cc clone engine.
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Postby DocHemi » Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:44 pm

Offroadkarter wrote:
DocHemi wrote:
Offroadkarter wrote:
DocHemi wrote:NO IT IS A HOWHIT CLONE GY6

Its not really a slip, but it just "bang" you feel it stop for a plit second and then catch again.



Your reverse cable needs to be adjusted, i had and now have the same problem.


Next time call it a Howhit, CF moto doesnt make a Gy6 so it doesnt sound correct.


What is a CF moto????

I will try the reverse adj. Thnx[/

CF moto is a company that makes the CF 250



CF 250????

i was talking about a 150 LOL
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Postby Offroadkarter » Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:54 pm

DocHemi wrote:
Offroadkarter wrote:
DocHemi wrote:
Offroadkarter wrote:
DocHemi wrote:NO IT IS A HOWHIT CLONE GY6

Its not really a slip, but it just "bang" you feel it stop for a plit second and then catch again.



Your reverse cable needs to be adjusted, i had and now have the same problem.


Next time call it a Howhit, CF moto doesnt make a Gy6 so it doesnt sound correct.


What is a CF moto????

I will try the reverse adj. Thnx[/

CF moto is a company that makes the CF 250



CF 250????

i was talking about a 150 LOL



i know that but you asked who cf moto was.
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Postby DocHemi » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:28 pm

I only asked becasue you brought it up :)
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Postby bnhshallow » Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:51 am

I thought I had posted a follow up to this post months ago, but apparently not.

This cart does not have what you mention...
to tension the chain you tighten a long bolt that raises or lowers the engine cradle in relation to the axle shaft.

Yes Doc, that would be your chain tensioner.

DocHemi wrote:
bnhshallow wrote:The chain is slipping a tooth under load. A frequent problem due to flexing of the chain tensioner.

The chain needs to be tightened. If the chain tensioner has the little rubber grommet underneath the nut, that's gonna have to go.


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This cart does not have what you mention...
to tension the chain you tighten a long bolt that raises or lowers the engine cradle in relation to the axle shaft.

That was my original thought, and I even over tightened the chain (no slack), to check and see and no good (of course i did loosen the chain a bit).
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Postby illbuell » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:26 pm

Offroadkarter wrote:Is this a real honda Gy6?

So are you saying the clutch sticks or slips?


Mine is doing the same thing.. I got the F-N-R unit apart and it looks great..works really simple..drive gears apart also looks great.. . Can't figure it out. Anyone have any issues with the belt or variator causing this issue?
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Postby BlackScorpion » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:14 pm

illbuell wrote:
Offroadkarter wrote:Is this a real honda Gy6?

So are you saying the clutch sticks or slips?


Mine is doing the same thing.. I got the F-N-R unit apart and it looks great..works really simple..drive gears apart also looks great.. . Can't figure it out. Anyone have any issues with the belt or variator causing this issue?


Illbuell, you might be better off starting a new thread as this one is an old thread. Check the dates.
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